Plato – The Republic
|Subject||Plato – The Republic|
|Created||9/6/2010 6:15:00 AM|
|Posted||9/6/2010 6:14:00 AM|
|Body||Another placeholder post – no longer!Trundling my way through ‘The Republic’ by Plato (Penguin Classic, translated by Desmond Lee) I realised I was running out of writing room for my memory jogger notes – I usually make these inside the back cover – a form of book mark. Until I figure out anything better I will put them here.
Aristotle’s comments on abolition of private property – you do not get rid of an evil by changing an institution (eliminate profit motive?)
Plato’s desire to eliminate family life as distractions*
* assumes that greater and lesser social affiliations are diametrically opposed.
‘undemocratic’… is the case for democracy yet proved.
Socrates is likening (fails to distinguish between) the consequences of a mastered trade to an impaired point of view.
Thus Q: is there a skill wherein justice can act as a corrective (see pp74 comment).
Early form of political correctness by ruthless pursuit of the concept behind the division of labour.
4 cardinal virtues perceived as being wisdom, courage, self-discipline, justice.
Dangerous step by Plato. can the analogy of an expert by class extend to wisdom and to stewardship (i.e. politics).
How would Plato view the examination of small differences – say variance analysis…
The tendency for states (for which read any organised group of people) to jointly decide that its interests supercede those of the individual is now well documented. States often portray the systematic persecution of their citizens as virtuous and essential acts, suggesting an alternate and possibly discordant set of virtues. Consequently I don’t find Plato’s idea that individual virtue can be writ large into the state totally compelling.
To make sense of Plato’s thinking on marriage I broke this down into Relationships and Genetics (uh, yeah my division looks uncannily like nature and nurture – so why re-invent the wheel?)
Plato’s thinking on upbringing relies upon the state as a tool for socialising behaviour rejecting the family unit for that role and placing little value on personal relationship aspects such as love and companionship. The social experiments in C20th USSR and to an extent West European states demonstrate the consequences of a factory approach to education and up-bringing. For which read ‘A Primer on how to Alienate Citizens and Breed Future Misfits’. Still at least he understood that differences between the sexes are chiefly governed by points of view.
Gosh how – hmm – revolutionary… and pointless. If Plato really did try to put these ideas into practise I can well imagine it having as much appeal as going back to the caves.
pp250 (or give up all your Money)
What would have prompted Plato to suggest doing away with the convenience of money? An ancient Greek equivalent of our banking system failure?